Greetings Nerds and Casual Comic fans, it’s a wonderful Thursday today and we’re ready to talk pop-culture! Welcome to the first edition of Talk nerdy to me – your one-stop-shop for super important opinions on inconsequential entertainment by two guys with too much time on their hands and no actual business discussing such things.
Each article will provide an in depth look at the dirty and nerdy aspects of movies, comics, video games and pop culture…and whatever else floats our boats. So whether by accidental click, on purpose, or just a little pop-curious, we’re happy to have you join us for this nonsense.
Our first order of business: Marvel’s latest nugget of perfection – The official trailer for The Spoilerific Spider-man (aka Spider-Man: Homecoming). Sit back and relax as AJ Speck and Shaun Curran jump right into a little bit of Q&A regarding the good, the bad, and what dafuq-we-just-saw. Enjoy!
Let’s Start with the Good. What did you like?
AJ: I have a few highlights. Tom Holland is my favorite actor to don the red and blue and it looks like he’s going to continue taking this character to new heights (HA). His combination of humor, childlike innocence, and fearlessness is something I think past Spider-Man portrayals have lacked.
One thing I don’t like much is that Stark influences him for most of this trailer, but I will say the suit Tony creates has to be close to the top of my favorites list. The spider that removes itself and flies away is enticing as that could play a huge part down the road, while the form fitting tech is a subtle addition that I wouldn’t have thought would be included.
Shaun: For me, I really enjoyed the scenes from Mr. Mom. I’ve always loved Keaton & they did a really good job highlighting enough of his menace and attitude, painting him as not only a formidable villain, but almost an Anti/Evil Stark. And they dabbled in a bit of The Shocker in as well who we know will be a secondary villain in this. One of my biggest problems with the MCU is the lack of real imposing threats/amazing villains… this seems to be stepping up the game for this – at least the way it appears. One of the things the trailer did right is NOT revealing too much of the villain’s motivations.
What bothered you about the Trailer?
Shaun: I was really bothered that this trailer feels like I just watched the movie. I have other issues like Peter not being the one that makes his tech now, Tony taking over as motivator replacing Uncle Ben, but the biggest gripe is the over-reveal of this trailer.
While Vultures motivations and intentions aren’t seen – we know Spider-Man is trying to impress Stark and play with the big boys. We saw how the cruise ship is saved, and we also see Tony taking the suit away making Peter feel he is nothing without the suit. So it’s easy to see that he goes back to his homemade suit, fights the Vulture and earns the suit and respect of Tony.
This trailer gave WAY too much away too early. I’m sure there’s still more surprises to come, but it left me feeling disappointed, not hyped. Just meh.
AJ: Man, the suit reveal pissed me off too! ESPECIALLY that they showed it getting taken away and then followed it up with his homemade suit!
The thing that got to me the most, though, was Marvel’s never ending need to put Iron-Man in every scene of every movie. Now, obviously they don’t have him in a handful of their movies, I get it, but when he is included it’s nothing but Tony, Tony, Tony.
Homecoming’s first trailer showed Stark as Peter’s guidance, but didn’t make it seem like he was Pete’s savior or idol. Spider-Man would defeat Iron-Man head to head, as seen in both Civil War and One More Day comic books. Spider-Man needs guidance, I get that too, but he doesn’t need someone to keep him safe. He’s a powerhouse in his own right, and to make a movie about how he’s this scared little kid is just insulting to Spidey and his fans. Give him his movie, let him learn his powers, and STOP MAKING EVERYONE A COOKIE-CUTTER AVENGER!
Shaun: 100% agreed man! Tony “Stank” was and has been my favorite, but too much of a good thing can lead to an oversaturating bad taste. Iron Man pre MCU was a B-level hero. Spider-Man has been Top Tier (arguably the A+) in their arsenal.
But since RDJ has been so great, Marvel almost doesn’t trust many properties anymore without this crutch and it’s getting real old. I would have loved him being sprinkled in as a glorified cameo offering sage wisdom – not the driving force behind Pete’s motivations. Tony telling Peter to just be “a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man” was just cringe worthy and forced to me. Only way that could have been worse was if he broke the 4th wall and looked right at the screen and gave a cheesy wink as he said that catch phrase.
Why did they reveal so much do you think? Especially after the recent fiascos of trailers for BvS showing Doomsday and CW showing the Giant Man airport scene a week after the movie was released?
AJ: This reasoning is curious to me, but I think I know why they did it. You know fans are going to throw a fit when you give them too much. Hell, I didn’t watch a single trailer for Suicide Squad before seeing it just so I could go in with a fresh mind (and it helped!).
So why would they give the audience so damn much? I think it has something to do with Marvel’s ability to seemingly do no wrong, and their false sense of invincibility. They can release this much of the plot because they know people will still flock to theaters to see Pete and Tony team up to beat up a mechanical bird.
It’s a bummer, but they’re not wrong.
Shaun: It’s a fine line to tiptoe across. The whole trailer was odd to me in the fact that it had a VERY Marvel feel to it – but also didn’t at the same time, because of the excessive spoiling which MCU is not typically know for.
Could this be due to Sony’s involvement perhaps? Or maybe falling into the trap that we saw last year of trailers being marketed out by separate companies and directors not having as much control of what is released that way (i.e. BvS & Suicide Squad).
It does make me wonder though – did they just overshare all of Tony’s scenes and misleadingly paint him as a star like Suicide Squad did with Joker? Or did they just ruin the movie by giving away too much of the story arc and struggle? It’s probably too early to tell but that’s just the impression I got.
AJ: Great point with the possible goal of putting most of Stark’s scenes in the trailer to draw in the newer Marvel fans who maybe got attached in the first place because of Iron Man’s popularity. Hadn’t thought about that but it makes sense, especially with the hysteria that Leto’s Joker had around it before audiences saw his limited role.
Overall Opinion now vs 24 hours ago:
Shaun: Unfortunately, my opinion has changed…a lot. I’m unabashedly team DC and unapologetically in full on man-crush mode with all things Batfleck – but I was very open & excited for this movie and not looking to pick it apart like this. We did just spend some time bashing this, but truth be told I wanted to like it.
Unfortunately, I may have built the hype up too much and raised my excitement to an unattainable height. The trailer just left me feeling underwhelmed and bored of the idea of ANOTHER Iron Man saturated movie guest starring the alleged lead hero in the title. Just disappointed to be honest.
AJ: To me this feels like nothing more than a new Iron Man movie and that is the reason my opinion went from blind optimism to serious worry.
Will I see it? Of course, I’ll be there on opening night. Do I hope it’s MUCH different than the trailer let on? Yes, God yes.
I’m with you on the DC train, but I don’t think that we’re wrong in expecting much more from a Spider-Man movie. It’s Spider-Man! People who can’t read know who Spider-Man is!
Shaun: Hahaha, couldn’t have said it better myself!!
Final Question: Describe your hype level in rating and meme form:
AJ: 2 out of 5 Marthas
Shaun: Unfortunately 2/5 Martha’s for me too
So there you have it – the Officially DC Biased review of the Spider-Man Pew-Yew: Electric Boogalo. Were we right on point? Maybe. Are we idiots with no business hating on the all-mighty Marvel/Mouse Alliance? Most likely. Either way, let us know your thoughts below!
Now, while we’re both big boys and can take a joke or jest, let’s try to play nice in the comments at least towards each other. Vitriol and bullying and unnecessary trolling is strongly frowned upon. Let’s keep it fun, and we welcome your thoughts and memes!
If you have any suggestions or thoughts please feel free to message us, and be sure to tune into our weekly TGS Podcast – Shop Talk, where everything and more is discussed in a fuller format with AJ Speck, Aron White, Shane Bailey, & Shaun Curran.
Be sure to click on over Friday when we provide our in depth, totally “unbiased” review of all the wonderful things about the “Batfleck & Buddies” (aka Justice League) trailer. Thanks again for reading and have a great day!